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Title Slave · Oct 14, 2010, 04:11 PM // 16:11

I agree with OP on this one...

3 points for years of PvPing is really disappointing.

Why would dedication to PvE be worth more than dedication to PvP? It makes no sense really. Just because PvP happens to have less titles then PvE? Its unfair in a lot of ways...

I would love to see some extra bonus points for champion and hero titles. Not because I just happen to have them but because a lot of PvP'ers think the same right now.

There is absolutely NO WAY to show my dedication to GW1 PvP in GW2 and that makes me very very sad. No title, no item, nothing...

JR · Oct 14, 2010, 04:20 PM // 16:20

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Originally Posted by Iuris

I said that Anet shifted focus from PvP to PvE due to recognized player preference. It doesn't mean that it completely stopped caring or anything.

And yet my examples clearly illustrate a consistent, if not increasing focus on PvP over the years.

Killed u man · Oct 14, 2010, 04:27 PM // 16:27

Love how every PvP-related issue immediatly gets reduced to a "GW2-PvP will be shit" yes-no arguement.

On the issue:

I couldn't care less about what titles they add to HoM and which not (I got access to every PvP title anyways), I do care about the imbalance that exists between PvP-PvE.

When having in the back of the mind that GW originally started out as a PvP game (almost pure, the intire endgame was PvP), and now seeing how much grounds it lost to PvE doesn't really ease my mind on the previous mentioned issue.

I understand JR when he says he has faith in Anet, because Anet DID deliver an amazing game in 2005. I mean, it did go apeshit during the next 5 years due to clear incompetence and lack of care, but that's besides the issue. Anet is capapble of delivering, and that's all that matters.

But when you then see that there indeed hasn't been any in-depth talks about PvP, and now seeing less than 2% (rough guess?) of rewards from GW1 being PvP-based really shows PvP isn't the primary focus of GW2. This has been known, however, pretty much since NF release, but untill the HoM-reward update, we had no numbers or figures, only guesses. Now we have a ratio of which Anet seems justificable for granting GW2 rewards, between PvE and PvP that is.

Not calling shennannigans yet, but Anet has once again shown that PvP is definatly not the prime (or even secondary) focus of GW2, and that it doesn't even come anywhere close to PvE's worth.

Saying that you believe GW2 will have amazing PvP IS blind faith. There is not a single point of evidence proving otherwise, and there is enough proving it will be.

I still have a small shrink of hope left, but I fear I'll be buying WoW advanced graphics in a year or 2. Not saying that's a bad thing, GW2 has still got more than enough stuff going for it -no fee-, but I think the glory days (PvP) we all loved aren't comming back...

Krill · Oct 14, 2010, 04:32 PM // 16:32

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Originally Posted by Iuris

I said that Anet shifted focus from PvP to PvE due to recognized player preference. It doesn't mean that it completely stopped caring or anything.

You're right that the GW player preference is clearly PvE but anet quit caring about PvP a long time ago. The only positive steps I can think of after Izzy completely ruined the game with skill buffs was the removal of heroes from PvP. Even then they couldn't just leave it be, there had to be a contest so PvE players could have a chance at a tonic and being immortalized as a henchmen. That and the zaishen zoo were symbolic of how idiotic anet's priorities were.

The latest crap with hall of monuments proves that all anet has to do to please PvE players is throw trinkets at them and everybody shits their pants with excitement for a few months. I swear if there was an eternal dildo award for 6 characters with every PvE title, every item, every whatever else it takes to fill a hall there would be people grinding it out for their shot at the dildo.

Rushin Roulette · Oct 14, 2010, 04:35 PM // 16:35

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Originally Posted by lemming

Getting into PvP relies a bit on getting a lucky break for most people. Your job is to position yourself to take best advantage of them. Watch obs mode, ask experienced players for advice, find low-ranked guilds to play with. There's a lot of stuff that individuals can do to get in if they want to put the effort in, instead of complaining about how their hands aren't being held.

I know your right with this point. But you missed my point Im afraid. What I was sayign is that Players got really bad memories of PvP from when it was popular and when districts were full of "glf xx must be r6+ show Rank" or ragequitters in RA if there was no Monk on the team. These Memories is what is stopping many players at even thinking of Zoning to a PvP outpost and even attempt to join a team nowadays.

Its a Shame, because I find PvP is an integral part of Guildwars even though I never really played it. But like many games, PvP was killed by PvPers. Anypne left in PvP who actually has the heart for the game is now left in teh ashes of what it once was.

Apart from that.... I really dont get this thread at all. To simplify the point of the OP to the extreme;

"A PvP player is complaining that Anet are not honoring PvP players enough for a system that will give Rewards that you can nearly 100% exclusively use only in PvE in a game that will come out at some undefined point in the future."

The HoM Calculator rewards wont and cant give PvP players an advantage over others that do not have either GW1 or a maxed out HoM. This would completely ruin any fair form of PvP where the Maxime is the better player wins, not the better equipment. The rewards also have no ranking system of how well you play either GW1 or will play GW2 against other players. Its in effect exactly like the Zrank is now, or do you want to say that a Maxed out Zrank shows that you are a good PvP player?

Essence Snow · Oct 14, 2010, 04:37 PM // 16:37

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Originally Posted by Title Slave

I agree with OP on this one...

3 points for years of PvPing is really disappointing.

Why would dedication to PvE be worth more than dedication to PvP? It makes no sense really. Just because PvP happens to have less titles then PvE? Its unfair in a lot of ways...

I would love to see some extra bonus points for champion and hero titles. Not because I just happen to have them but because a lot of PvP'ers think the same right now.

There is absolutely NO WAY to show my dedication to GW1 PvP in GW2 and that makes me very very sad. No title, no item, nothing...

No one is stopping you from putting more PvP titles in your hall. 13/18 Honor points are possible via PvP only. You dont have to play PvE (aside from getting to the hall)for minis, weapons, and possibly (i might be wrong on this one) pet companion. Which...lets do some simple math here...13+8+8+1=30......Wait what 30? Full item rewards from next to 0 PvE? Impossible!

Rushin Roulette · Oct 14, 2010, 04:41 PM // 16:41

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Originally Posted by Essence Snow

No one is stopping you from putting more PvP titles in your hall. 13/18 Honor points are possible via PvP only. You dont have to play PvE (aside from getting to the hall)for minis, weapons, and possibly (i might be wrong on this one) pet companion. Which...lets do some simple math here...13+8+8+1=30......Wait what 30? Full item rewards from next to 0 PvE? Impossible!

Dont forget that it is theoretically possible to get Survivor on a PvP character as far as I remember which would also add one title which everyone automatically counts as a PvE exclusive... I dare soemoen to get Survivor on a PvP char plying PvP the way it is meant to be played though. lol

Markus Clouser · Oct 14, 2010, 05:02 PM // 17:02

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Originally Posted by TalanRoarer

PvE is mindless killing and far easier than PvP.
No matter what how you look at PvE its man vs Dumb AI. (Or Man + Dumb AI vs Dumb AI.)

I should have used bold on storyline.

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Originally Posted by Essence Snow

No one is stopping you from putting more PvP titles in your hall. 13/18 Honor points are possible via PvP only. You dont have to play PvE (aside from getting to the hall)for minis, weapons, and possibly (i might be wrong on this one) pet companion. Which...lets do some simple math here...13+8+8+1=30......Wait what 30? Full item rewards from next to 0 PvE? Impossible!

Finally! Someone else beside me who brings up front the fact that you can get ALL THE REWARDS even if you PvP.

Why are we all arguing here? Because you as a PvPer don't ID items after you open the zchest? Because you sell firewater, tonics and creme brulee and not use them for your titles? Because you cba to get M.O.X. in your HoM? Because you don't have all the skills unlocked?

For the third time in the same thread, 30/30 for HoM while doing PvP - where's the problem?

Star_Jewel · Oct 14, 2010, 05:19 PM // 17:19

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Originally Posted by lemming

It's easier for females to get a leg up in the pvp world, even if they don't show tits.

Really? How does that work? I mean, I can see somebody rolling an elementalist, throwing on the short skirt and flirting a little to get a couple free ectos from a lonely teenager, but PvP is a different ballgame. It seems to me that people in PvP are generally snotty no matter what: Innie or outie, all that matters is the WIN.
Besides that, isn't it a forgone conclusion that at least 50% of the female characters in this game are probably played by dudes? So how is this favoritism manifesting? Is it just based on cute female characters? Or does it tend to happen in PvP guilds where people are more likely to get to know each other on a deeper level, perhaps with a little help from Ventrillo?

Shriketalon · Oct 14, 2010, 05:40 PM // 17:40

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Originally Posted by Krill

The latest crap with hall of monuments proves that all anet has to do to please PvE players is throw trinkets at them and everybody shits their pants with excitement for a few months. I swear if there was an eternal dildo award for 6 characters with every PvE title, every item, every whatever else it takes to fill a hall there would be people grinding it out for their shot at the dildo.

Bitter, much?

Disregarding the fact that the entire PvP reward system was basically "Ooooh, look at the shiny cape and emote! So shiny!", there's absolutely nothing wrong with Anet actually catering to the market share that kept Guild Wars afloat. And that's PvE. The players spoke via comment and cash, and the game went in the direction that the customer base pushed it in.

Besides, this entire post is foolish. You can get every pet via zaishen faction (pick up M.O.X. on the way to the Hall, that's 4 points on Devotion), you get minipets on any character type (let's be conservative and say 3 points there), all your PvP titles can be applied (11 points in Honor), all your faction from AB/FA/JQ can be applied toward a single set of elite faction armor (2 points), you can use Zkeys to buy your entire Valor monument (8 points).......Hell, that's 28/30. All you need is a total of 20 minipets (sell more zkeys), and that will bump you up to the 30/30 maximum total of rewards.

So what are all the PvP people complaining about?

Essence Snow · Oct 14, 2010, 06:02 PM // 18:02

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Originally Posted by Star_Jewel

Really? How does that work? I mean, I can see somebody rolling an elementalist, throwing on the short skirt and flirting a little to get a couple free ectos from a lonely teenager, but PvP is a different ballgame. It seems to me that people in PvP are generally snotty no matter what: Innie or outie, all that matters is the WIN.
Besides that, isn't it a forgone conclusion that at least 50% of the female characters in this game are probably played by dudes? So how is this favoritism manifesting? Is it just based on cute female characters? Or does it tend to happen in PvP guilds where people are more likely to get to know each other on a deeper level, perhaps with a little help from Ventrillo?

Those are the only two that seem to matter.....lol.

NerfHerder · Oct 14, 2010, 06:07 PM // 18:07

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Originally Posted by Essence Snow

No one is stopping you from putting more PvP titles in your hall. 13/18 Honor points are possible via PvP only. You dont have to play PvE (aside from getting to the hall)for minis, weapons, and possibly (i might be wrong on this one) pet companion. Which...lets do some simple math here...13+8+8+1=30......Wait what 30? Full item rewards from next to 0 PvE? Impossible!

::: pulls up HoM reward calculator and a real calculator :::

Yup, I think thats /endthread

I count about 11 Honor points for PvP titles. Grab Mox and then Pets with balthazaar points(5 points). And lets face it, Minis, Weapons and Armor can all be bought(24 points). So if you dont have(11+5+24) 40 points just from PvP, you need to go PvP some more.

However, I think it would be a nice addition if you could display ALL the titles you earned from GW1 in GW2.

Title Slave · Oct 14, 2010, 06:22 PM // 18:22

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Originally Posted by Shriketalon

Bitter, much?

Disregarding the fact that the entire PvP reward system was basically "Ooooh, look at the shiny cape and emote! So shiny!", there's absolutely nothing wrong with Anet actually catering to the market share that kept Guild Wars afloat. And that's PvE. The players spoke via comment and cash, and the game went in the direction that the customer base pushed it in.

Besides, this entire post is foolish. You can get every pet via zaishen faction (pick up M.O.X. on the way to the Hall, that's 4 points on Devotion), you get minipets on any character type (let's be conservative and say 3 points there), all your PvP titles can be applied (11 points in Honor), all your faction from AB/FA/JQ can be applied toward a single set of elite faction armor (2 points), you can use Zkeys to buy your entire Valor monument (8 points).......Hell, that's 28/30. All you need is a total of 20 minipets (sell more zkeys), and that will bump you up to the 30/30 maximum total of rewards.

So what are all the PvP people complaining about?

Why is everyone assuming PvP'ers need 30/50 and use that as an argument? I couldn't care less about those PvE items. Of course it's super easy to get 30/50, thats not the point here...

Not sure if you ever played PvP but it's a completely different world. Earning huge amount of Z-Keys and all statues takes lots of effort, training, coordination and time. Not to mention those years I played before Z-Keys were even implemented.

Facerolling PvE with faceroll builds and faceroll skills gets you 50/50 points faster anyway. Hardcore PvE'ers get 2 awesome top tier titles to bring to GW2 and we are left with nothing.

Obviously I played PvP for fun and not for titles but it's just disheartening to see we get nothing special for it in return. I think PvP'ers get very very little attention/respect from ANET.

fyre12345 · Oct 14, 2010, 06:28 PM // 18:28

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Originally Posted by Elad Agilaz

Wait, what?

I payed $50 per game for the game, for the storyline, and for playing with other people, of which pvp makes up a very small part. If the game was very much more pvp oriented (like wow), then these complaints would be valid.

So whats the big deal? You want pve rewards, go pve.

I payed about $150 for all 4 of the games at separate times ofc but i to wanted the storyline and the team playing but pvp makes up a HUGE amount of the team playing because it does take interacting and strategizing with others to succeed or at least do it well, also when did these rewards ever become pve rewards? I will be able to use i.e the black moa or the warhorn for pvp aswell won't I? I'm not arguing for the cause of this thread because I'm sure the little troll who made this thread can take a break from pvp as I have to get some titles or armor or an exotic pet or 2 to get the rewards from HoM that we all are looking forward to come gw2

NerfHerder · Oct 14, 2010, 06:43 PM // 18:43

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Originally Posted by Title Slave

I think PvP'ers get very very little attention/respect from ANET.

Shirley, you cant be serious.

Title Slave · Oct 14, 2010, 06:48 PM // 18:48

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Originally Posted by NerfHerder

Shirley, you cant be serious.

I'm talking about HoM rewards here, not PvP in general sir.

Karate Jesus · Oct 14, 2010, 06:49 PM // 18:49

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Originally Posted by JR

We may have heard little, but what we have heard gives all the right indications that they are taking competitive PvP seriously. In a few months time they will do a couple of blog posts on PvP, and people will be blown away. I'd put serious money on that happening.

Yet you have no more proof than I do. We're both just making an assumption.

That's why I said (earlier) that there's no reason for either of us to argue either point.

I was merely making the point that PvP would not be their primary focus, which even you admitted is true. Hopefully, it will be good, but it will not be a main focus.

Essence Snow · Oct 14, 2010, 06:57 PM // 18:57

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Originally Posted by Title Slave

Why is everyone assuming PvP'ers need 30/50 and use that as an argument? I couldn't care less about those PvE items. Of course it's super easy to get 30/50, thats not the point here...

Obviously I played PvP for fun and not for titles but it's just disheartening to see we get nothing special for it in return. I think PvP'ers get very very little attention/respect from ANET.

Could you do me a favor and read back to yourself what you wrote?

Title Slave · Oct 14, 2010, 07:05 PM // 19:05

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Originally Posted by Essence Snow

Could you do me a favor and read back to yourself what you wrote?

Sure, done it.

And you know what, I still agree with what I said. I don't give a damn about all those PvE items. I want a special reward for all those years of PvP'ing. Obviously you are 50/50 without any PvP titles and you don't know what I'm talking about.

Rocky Raccoon · Oct 14, 2010, 07:07 PM // 19:07

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Originally Posted by Karate Jesus

I was merely making the point that PvP would not be their primary focus, which even you admitted is true. Hopefully, it will be good, but it will not be a main focus.

Chevrolet makes Corvette, although it is not their primary focus they still make a damn good car. I think ANET will do the same with PvP.